No Pre-Tribulation “Rapture”–God’s Elect on Earth During Tribulation

The Scriptures do not support a “Rapture” that happens before the Tribulation starts, as millions have been taught.  They do support a post-tribulation event where Christians are “caught up to meet the Lord in the air”  (see post “The Pre-Tribulation Rapture–A Parachute That Will Not Open here  https://immortalityroad.wordpress.com/2008/08/02/the-rapture-a-parachute-that-will-not-open/ ).

If we can see in the Scriptures the church, actively and literally living on earth during the Great Tribulation, then we will have proof positive that Christians were not “raptured” out of the earth before Tribulation started.  If you will stay with me for a moment, I will show you proof of this.

In Matthew 24, Christ’s disciples ask Him, “What shall be the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?” (v. 3).  He lists many signs like deception, wars, famines, earthquakes, which “are the beginning of sorrows.”  Then “false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many (v. 4-11).

Then He says, “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (v. 12).  The end of what?  The “end” of the tribulation that precedes His coming back to earth.  Then He says that “this gospel of the kingdom” will go out all over the world, and then the end will come.

Then the big sign comes when He says to watch for “the abomination of desolation.”   This is when the Anti-Christ desecrates the newly rebuilt temple in Jerusalem.  When you see that, you better run for cover.  Remember He is talking only to His disciples, which are a type of all of His disciples.  “For then shall be great tribulation” like the world’s never seen.  It will be hellish, as seen during the seven trumpet plagues and the seven vials of wrath in Revelation ch’s 8, 9, 16.

Stay with me, now.  Almost to the proof-text.  It is so bad and destructive to mankind that “except those days be shortened, there should no flesh be saved” (Mt. 24:22).  In other words, if God allows the destruction to continue, no human beings would survive!  “But for the elect’s sake those days shall be shortened” (v. 22).

If the church, God’s elect, have already been “raptured out” to safety before tribulation started, then why would God be so concerned about saving His elect from the physical destruction happening on earth?

“For the elect’s sake” means He doesn’t want His body of believers to die with the wicked in a total annihilation of earth.  For their sake, so that they won’t perish with the wicked, He cuts the tribulation short to prevent total destruction.

It will be horrendously bleak.  Christ’s followers will be looking for their Savior’s return.  He warns that at that time false prophets “shall show great signs and wonders…that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect” (Mt. 24:24).  These false teachers are so convincing that they almost deceive the elect of God!

If God’s church, His elect, are already in heaven, then how could they almost be deceived by imposters on earth? They would be in the very presence of God.  They couldn’t be deceived.  No, during this horrible time, His church, His body of believers are still on earth, enduring the suffering, waiting patiently for their Savior’s return.

But some will say that “the elect” spoken of here in Matthew 24:22, 24 are not the church, the body of Christ.  Don’t believe this falsehood.  His elect is His true church.  I will prove this in the next post entitled, “The Elect of God–His Body, His True Church.”  Kenneth Wayne Hancock

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See also:  “The Cup of Fury”–Yahweh Has a “Controversy With the Nations”

“God’s Elect”–His Body, His Chosen, His Church

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41 responses to “No Pre-Tribulation “Rapture”–God’s Elect on Earth During Tribulation

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  2. Hi kenneth. greetings in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ. I also have a document No pre-tribulation Rapture, with many articles refuting this error. Take a look:
    http://logosapostolic.org/studies/RP355Rapture.htm
    I am glad you have the samr truth, would you consider linking to us?

    God bless you,

    Pastor Roy Page, Logos Apostolic Church of God in UK.

  3. wayneman5

    Thanks, Roy, for your comment. Nice to hear from someone who has the scriptural truth on the catching away of the saints. Yes, I will include you in my blogroll. Will you link to ImmortalityRoad, my blog as well. Wonderful to hear from brothers in the UK. God bless you all there. Kenneth Wayne Hancock

  4. Thomas Grant

    There are two reasons I believe there will be a rapture. Jesus speaks of coming as a theif. . . Mat 24:43-44 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
    Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

    .. and than with signs in the sky. Mat 24:27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

    This scripture also speaks of a way of escape and keep in mind it says, ALL THESE THINGS.

    Luk 21:36 Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man.

    How esle can we escape all these things, the mark of the beast, not being able to buy and sell, persecution…etc

    • Timberash

      Answer……By being part of a network of Christ’s believers who have been prepared by God himself to testify as a light on the hill during these dark times. Be not caught off guard believing you are safe and the tribulation will not effect you. You would be like the foolish man who slept believing he was safe.

      • So true, Timberash. God did promise to protect His people, but the scriptures are full of examples of God’s people going through famines, natural disasters, upheavals, and persecutions, and yet being provided for by God. I believe He will continue to do this. Knowing the future helps His people prepare for it. God bless you and thanks for commenting. Hope to hear from you again soon. kwh

      • Bryan Verdin

        Given the number of Christians in the world today and how much of the earth’s population will be killed during the tribulation, God couldn’t protect them all AND fulfill what has been prophesied. If you don’t take the mark you will most likely be killed. God would have to protect hundreds of millions of people from taking the mark, and then protecting them from every judgement foretold in Revelation. No, we won’t be here for that. The 144,000 (the elect), the two witnesses, and the angels will spread the gospel to those left behind. There will be no more need for the Church during the time of Jacob’s trouble.

      • Bryan, thanks for your thoughts and comments. They are well articulated and reasoned. However, you are reasoning that God would not sacrifice some of His own followers because He is merciful and they are His redeemed. But His ways are not our ways. You are reasoning with man’s wisdom and not grounded in precedent that He has laid out throughout history. “My ways are not your ways, nor My thoughts your thoughts,” He said. This means that God is sovereign and will do things His way, not how we would do it. “There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way of death” (Prov. 14: 12). It seems right that God would not let His followers suffer through the tribulation period. But that is man’s thinking. Bear with me and see some examples of just the opposite.

        You say that “God couldn’t protect them all [Christians during the Tribulation] AND fulfill what has been prophesied.” I disagree in that “with God all things are possible.” Many Christians will not take the mark, and some will be killed. You say that “God has always removed his own from places that would receive his judgement.” Where does it say that? Read on and you’ll see just the opposite.

        Please consider this: Before the Great Tribulation Period begins, God induces the 7 year tribulation by first opening the seals of the book that contains the Gr. Trib. Period in its pages. These seals include, as you know, the world wars, calamity of nations, famine, and Death [seals 1-4]. To think that these God ordained catastophes, seals of the end time book opend by Jesus Himself–did not include true Christians is not thinking this thing through. I know there were several thousand American Christians who were killed in just WWII alone.

        Look at the fifth seal in Rev. 6: 9-11: the souls of Christians killed are crying, Revenge us. And they are told to wait until their fellow Christians that should be killed should be fulfilled. Should be killed?…And then forget about the sixth seal–the mother of all natural disasters–great earthquake, “stars of heaven” falling into the earth [asteroids, meteorites], the “kings of the earth and the great men” say to the mountains, Fall on us and hide us from the face of him that sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb: for the great day of His wrath is come…” (6:15-17). So God’s wrath has already started; it is all His doing and His followers are still on the earth. With all of these seals opening, many Christians unfortunately will be killed. But for us, “to die is gain.” And this is just the preview of the trumpets and vials to come.

        Moreover, Christ is speaking directly about the Great Tribulation Period in Matt. 24. At the time of the abomination of desolation, “there shall be great tribulation…and except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect’s sake, those days shall be shortened” (Matt. 24: 15, 21-22). We are talking about the real flesh bodies of the elect of God, perishing right along with the rest of humanity except that God would intervene and cut the wrath time short.

        Biblical historical proof that God’s followers perish along with the unrighteous–done by God’s own hand: God is warning Jerusalem through Ezekiel. “Behold, I am against thee, and will draw out my sword out of his sheath, and will cut off from thee the righteous and the wicked…against all flesh…” (21: 2-4). What was Yahweh’s sword? The Babylonian army. “…That the sword of the king of Babylon may come” (v. 19). At the time of the fall of Jerusalem about 600 B.C. God still had “7,000 that had not bowed the knee to Baal,” and some of them perished by the sword of the LORD–Babylonia.

        So we see that Christians have been and may be slain through God’s auspices; He is sovereign and can do His plan exactly the way He wants to. Perhaps this is what it means when it says, You gave us up to be devoured like sheep and have scattered us among the nations…You have made us a reproach to our neighbors, the scorn and derision of those around us…All this happened to us, though we had not forgotten you or been false to your covenant” (Psm 44: 11, 13, 17). And, “As it is written, For thy sake we are killed all the day long; we are accounted as sheep for the slaughter” (Rom 8:36).

    • aaron

      You are escaping God’s wrath not the tribulation. Dont forget that Paul says a true man of Christ will be happy to suffer for His sake.

    • Who escapes in Luke 21:36 if escape means rapture? ANSWER: Those who are saved.
      If that being the case, what does worthiness (or works) have to do with salvation? And why are we praying always that we might get saved? Escape has nothing to do with the rapture.
      How often does a pretriber pray this prayer? To them it would be completely faithless. Is God not faithful to do what He says He will do?
      This verse is not about escaping via rapture. Just because the pretrib believer wants it to be so… so very badly!
      Psalm 91 tells us how to be worthy and how to escape it all. There is a lot coming down. If you aren’t praying this prayer already, you may not be worthy to escape.

      • Thanks, boldncourageous. I really like 91:9 about making Yahweh our habitation, and thereby being preserved. If He is one’s dwelling place, where one abides, then when “mortality is swallowed up” with our immortal body in that day, we will be in the best place one can be: “under His wings” covered by His feathers (v. 4). Good stuff.

  5. My name is Daniel and I declare the one true gospel as the Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures, He was buried and He rose again the third day according to the scriptures: Yeshua of Nazareth is the Christ, ha Meshiach.
    I say this so it might clearly be understood what spirit I communicate to you. Yes, it is true, there is no rapture as it is taught today. Men waiting in the place of judgment for God to take them out just before judgment begins. Was Noah raptured from judgment-no he walked into an ark. Were the Jews who abided in Christ in 586 BC, and where spared that judgment Babylon brought upon Yerushalem, were they raptured? No, they walked. The Jews and the judgment of Yerushalem in 70 AD? No, they walked. And the high minded Gentiles of our day think God is going to do something special for them, never done before? No, the children of grace shall walk. They will have God’s grace upon them, and the spirit of understanding.

  6. wayneman5

    Thank you, Daniel. A very good and lucid argument for the truth that there is not a pre-tribulation rapture. May Yah continue to bless you. KWHancock

  7. Seeker

    The events being prophesied are so frightening to think about, the financial collapse, the famines, the destruction through natural events, judgement for sin, that I decided to take another look at the “rapture” I had been taught, and have seen that we are NOT going to be pulled from the planet so as to avoid all suffering..and I think the disappointment and dismay for those not understanding this before hand may contribute to the great falling away. However, I also believe and know that our great and faithful God will give us strength to stand in the coming days..but I also think this is the time to be seeking Him with whole heart lest we fall in with the deceived.

    • wayneman5

      Seeker, this is beautifully put and could not be truer. The words of scripture come to mind: “And if the righteous SCARCELY be saved, where shall the sinner and ungodly appear?” No, He has never left the earth without a witness, and He won’t start during the seven year Tribulation period. Thank you again for your insightful comment. Wayneman

  8. Sam

    I just worry for the children of Christians during this time. I know that we must endure, but the kids, those that are right around the age of knowing but can’t take the persecution therefore, takes the mark. The thought of myself getting tortured in the name of Jesus is nothing compared to the though of the children being tortured.

    • wayneman5

      Sam, we do not have all understanding right now, but one thing we can be sure of: God is just and will do right by all in due time. This we are to rest in–His righteousness and mercy…Wayneman

  9. Larry Gossett

    This is a damnable doctrine.

    there is a pre-tribulation rapture. you have your scripture mixed up.

    Example:
    “But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved” (v. 12)

    The end of what? the person’s life. that is what. He is referring to the individual being faithful through persecution, torture, and execution. if the person holds out till they die, and not give up on their faith like many have done when faced with death and torture, then they will be resurrected. during the dark/middle ages, if a person was sentenced to torture and death by burning at the stake for heresy by the Inquisition, they had to make a choice. turn on their faith and go back to being Catholic, thereby betraying Christ and compromising their faith or they “held out till the end” of there torture and were executing them. They held out through the imprisonment, torture, and execution. That is what he is talking about. Held out to the end applied to any person throughout history to ever face persecution, including the prophets of the old testament. It is simply a matter of choosing to save your own life at the expense of your loyalty to God or dying for your faith. The first resurrection and rapture is not the second coming. the rapture is followed by the Trials and Tribulations which is followed by the judgement of nations, Armageddon, Messianic Kingdom, final battle between Satan and the people he corrupts at the end of the Messianic Kingdom/reign, and Great White Thrown Judgement/Lake of Fire, then word restored, New Jerusalem, and eternity.

  10. i hold onto pre-tribulation rapture. its in the scriptures e.g;
    Isaiah 26:20-21… Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment,
    until the indignation be overpast.
    21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.
    Rev 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth.
    1 Thess 5:9 For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ.
    I have 3 questions:
    1. If our Lord Jesus will be comming from a wedding as per Luke 12:36, who will he have married if the bride is still on earth?
    2. If we will be changed/raised incorruptible at the second comming of our Lord, and the wicked judged and sent to hell, who will populate the Millenium?
    3. If he comes to take the bride at the end of the tribulation period of seven years, then he will not come as a thief as per what He always said, because we will know when he will come after the world ruler/antichrist signs seven-year covenant with Israel.

    • Thanks, Fred, for your comment. We must understand that the ecclesia, the church, the body of Christ, is not the bride of Christ. The wife of Yahweh is His people, the children of Israel (not the current converts to Judaism, who are not the literal flesh and blood descendants of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, whose name was changed to Israel). The true church are the sons and daughters of God, His princes and princesses. Christ said that He was “not sent but to the lost sheep of the House of Israel/Ten Lost Tribes…Nothing will make sense without these two revelations…As far as the Isa passage above: You don’t have to be raptured out of the earth for him to protect you; He has always protected His people; history will repeat itself (Eccle. 3: 15)…The marriage supper of the Lamb is the carnage of the wicked ON EARTH, for Christ is coming back here. Why would His bride not be at her own marriage supper??? kwh

      • Bryan Verdin

        God has always removed his own from places that would receive his judgement. Mankind is always vulnerable to the wrath of man, but his children are are not subject to the wrath of God. The tribulation is a time of God’s wrath and the church cannot be a part of it or it would negate what Christ did on the cross. He already had God’s wrath poured out on him and he paid that price for us. Why would we need to pay that price again? Wasn’t Christ’s sacrifice enough? Of course it was or Jesus would not have said “It is finished”.

        You cannot burn the same spot twice. The church stands with Christ on the cross that has already been through the fire. It would be a mockery of everything Christ did for us, if we were to go through God’s wrath after Jesus already took our place for that.

        Any person put to death during the tribulation for believing in Jesus must be those who didn’t accept the price Jesus had paid for them prior. If you don’t accept that the rapture will happen, then God must keep every believer from being harmed in any way by the anti-chirst, who has been given power by Jesus Christ, and from every trumpet, vial, and bowl judgement. If just one Christian is subject to one of those, it negates what Christ did.

        Every saint that has been martyred over the years has been subject to the wrath of men, not the wrath of God.

  11. This is awsome. I have let the enemy and myself be so frustrated by theology and unbiblical ideas. This has been my point as long as I have been reading scripture. I think thats the real issue, that and the fact that christians don’t think they will have to suffer. The Lord has revealed many strange things to me but it is all scriptural. How great is our Lord Jesus the Christ, praise to Him forever and ever!! Thanks for this. God bless you.

  12. Tia, thank you so much for writing! It was so good to hear of another undeceived Christian out there. Please feel free to make other comments about other articles. I really enjoyed reading it. Wayne

  13. Thank you, Tia, for your warm comment. It is truly good to hear of another of God’s children who is not deceived about the rapture! Write again. Wayne

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  15. R.Tallman

    Hello!…I speak to your soul…The Elect are 144,000 individuals.God cuts the time short by bringing the World to it’s knees so people will listen.There are those that will wish to detain,hurt,and kill the Elect to stop them from bringing their message.A World in chaos will make that more difficult.The World thinks it knows the whole story and has all the answers…The Elect do not know they are the Elect until the Holy Spirit consumes them.It begins with a deep inner need,brought on by the Holy Spirit,to study,research,and learn.Not all from the bible.Mostly to learn who they are and why they were chosen.You are not urged to fight any battle without knowing why,and who the enemy is.There is much I could tell you on that..The Elect bring what Jesus could not.There was a teaching from the time of Abraham(approx.3800 yrs ago),that was lost in history.Jesus,being the Son of God,could not give it back to man.So,He paid the price for 144,000 so they could bring it back.The so-called secret teachings,that Jesus called mysteries,that he only told his disciples,which Jesus said were only meant for those that would understand them,pertain to the lost teaching and the Elect.For example,Jesus said:When 2 become 1,1 will go to Heaven…Another,with the same meaning:2 lie on a couch,1 lives,1 dies.The living 1 will go to Heaven…The lost teaching will make you 1.Jesus told his disciples…to go to Heaven,you must be as babies…The disciples said:Then we shall enter as babies?…Jesus said:When you make the 2 into 1…Meaning,that as a newborn,you were a new spirit from Heaven,a spirit not yet imprisoned by the thinking and ways of this World.The lost teaching tells how to recognize the 2 influences within,one being the spirit,and the other is the thinking learned in this World,that can be more easily influenced by Satan.The teaching tells how to use your freewill to make a solid decision to choose your spirit/soul over the other.When the teaching is accomplished,you will know you are going to Heaven.It will be the truest thing you have ever felt.Soon after,your sins will be washed away by the Holy Spirit.You will definitely feel that.From that point on,you will see things more clearly.You will see absolute truth and you will see lies,deception, and deceit in places you never saw before.When you talk to someone,you will know whether they are going to Heaven because you can tell from what influence within they speak from.If they aren’t,then you know what you have to do.There are no doubts.The difference is like day and night.Once you accomplish the teaching brought by the Elect,you share their burden.You see what they see.The Father’s Imperial Rule that Jesus spoke of is…You must enter Heaven as you left it.You must free your spirit/soul in this World.When you die,the only thing your Spirit takes with it,is your thinking.The thinking of this World will not enter Heaven.It must be defeated.Jesus said:A slave cannot serve 2 masters…A person cannot mount 2 horses or bend 2 bows.This teaching will make this a spiritual World not seen since the days of Abraham because it is a teaching from the days of Abraham.The current emotional feeling of being saved and the act of baptism to wash away sins represents the lost teaching the Elect bring.Jesus gave what he could,being the Son of God.Jesus said,believe in Him and He will show you the way.He sends the Elect to fulfill that promise.This teaching adds to what you feel you already have.You lose nothing you feel you already have.You gain more than you can imagine.You can only gain.The Elect have accomplished the teaching with the guidance of the Holy Spirit.They are the living example of what they bring.They don’t ask you to do what can’t be done…In the beginning,the teaching will only be taught to those that teach,the foundation of churches(foundations will be shaken).Unfortunately,they are most of the ones that believe they have all the answers.Once it gets started,it will grow by itself through the church systems.That part is not the biggest concern.The biggest concern is the powerful evil that has to be dealt with.The only chance Satan has of winning is if the Elect are silenced before they get the teaching out to enough people.Right now,the World is not ready to listen.Most think they have the whole story and have all the answers.Satan has done his job well.The World is going to be made ready to listen.It will happen in a short period of time.When the World is ready,the Holy Spirit will send the Elect.They have been prepared.Now,they tie up loose ends in the life they have known and prepare their loved ones,of which many don’t believe them.Jesus said:A prophet cannot teach on his own ground.A doctor cannot cure those that know him…That is so true…Did you think the Elect would come and teach the same that has been taught for centuries?Did you think churches are the Elect?There are many different churches with many different theories.The Elect have not been defiled by any virgin,meaning they have not been influenced by any church.They have always been guided from within.Jesus said:All went right,1 went left,the 1 will go to Heaven….I could tell you more,but you’re probably not ready to accept what I’ve stated so far,but look to your soul for the truth.When your soul hears absolute truth,it awakens.Feel the energy of it.When you focus on anything of this material World,stop and notice the energy is gone.Feel the deadness of it.Think of what you read here,and feel it awaken again.Focus on it and hold on to it as long as you can.Once you recognize the difference,it gets easier.Your soul will recognize your effort and will help you.It will take weeks to win the battle within.It requires faith….While your logic from the mind born in this World considers my words,your soul will never let you forget.It has been given the key to it’s release.The seed is planted.The mind of this World will attack me.It knows my intention…Jesus said…When 2 become 1,1 will go to Heaven…..Become 1 and Thank Jesus….Heaven gives truth,Satan gives theories just as your soul gives truth and the logic of the mind born in this World gives theories…..A wise man listens to all that is said,then looks to his soul for any truth in what he heard.Please,be wise………Feel the truth….and do Thank Jesus…Those that read this are among the first to hear.Maybe,too much,too soon…My enemy lies within the one I wish to save.It will attack me.It knows my intentions.It will fight to the very end.The more intelligent the person,the more it has to fight with.But faith can keep it subdued.The teaching will kill it.Then 2 become 1 and I will see you in Heaven…..Take many days to consider my words.There are more answers given than are obvious in just one reading or just thought about for one day.Some,deep down in their soul,have always felt that there was more than just what they have been told.Over the Centuries,much has been removed from the Bible.Satan has prepared for this time.Do you believe anything is possible?In Heaven,everything is possible…I hope I bring you conflict within.I pray you win.You face what no other before you has faced.Do you believe?Do you have faith?Do you have the courage to be among the first?What is faith without courage?…Your faith is tested.Pray to Jesus.He will answer through your soul…Prophecy has begun.The line has been drawn in the sand.Both sides are preparing.Right now,you have time to choose,but time will run out,and a choice will be forced.There is no middle ground.I’m not concerned whether you believe my words or not right now.That is your conflict.I know in the near future,most will.The Bible states that multitudes will be saved.Do you really believe no one will do the teaching?People have trouble accepting what is different,but slowly in the beginning,they do accept…I don’t worry too much about you.I worry about those that don’t go to church,don’t know the bible,don’t have faith,that are controlled by Satan through the mind born in this World.Your connection to your soul is stronger than theirs.While I may face some opposition from you because hearing something different can be hard to accept and it shakes the foundation of your theories,they bring great opposition…Jesus said:”The Pharisees and scholars have taken the keys of knowledge and have hidden them.They have not entered nor have they allowed those who want to do so…Those that seek should not stop seeking until they find.When they find,they will be disturbed,they will marvel,and will reign over all……If you bring forth what is within you,what you have will save you.”…The Elect will come to God’s people first.For their help…For your help………It seems I went much further than I intended when I began….Thank you Wayneman.I realize I bring conflict and controversy to the mind born in this World.To the soul,I bring truth.May your soul guide you to do what you wish with this…Whatever you choose,I respect you and your efforts…

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  17. Randy Crager

    For more years than I care to remember, I watched, I heard and I commented on this subject in church with Pastors, friends, brothers and sister on Christ and more importantly my own family. It is now November 2013 and many of the signs that we are warned about are here but the most important subject is discussed here. Recently, after my morning prayer and before my morning study, Gods Holy Spirit answered my prayer and pointed me in this direction of this Pre-trib Rapture deception which has brought to light what God our Father wanted me to know. Which was not only the deception of the Pre-trib Rapture but how many of the translations of the Bible are part of the devils plan to steer us down the broad path to destruction.

    I am a user of the Biblesoft Bible program with many different translations of Gods Word. I am now using the same bible program mainly because of my failing eye sight and it’s usefulness but without any of the other modern translations but the King James Version.

    I see in my studies with multiple versions open, how these translations have perverted Gods Word and meaning and why people are so blinded by Pastors. I read and study only one Bible now, the KJV. The bible is so clear on the afore mentioned subject that using a Catholic is the only good example I can use to show a point.

    That point is, if we just listen to Pastors, friends and family, theologians and read all the garbage that is available to us on the internet and in books rather than go on our knees to Gods Throne and ask Him for guidance and knowledge, to be led by His Holy Spirit, YES we are in trouble! In the Catholic church they don’t want you to know what the true Word say’s. They only want you to here what they say! Sound like satan?

    Okay now, to my main point of this subject. Gods Word is so clear and you’d have to be in the wrong position to not understand it. God Almighty, by His Holy Spirit wanted us to know that if we are right with Him we can understand Him. If we are not Ashamed of our Savior, we can understand. If in the flesh we here on earth our temporary home and yet in the Spirit at the Throne of our Father, He will reveal all things in the most perfect timing.

    Gods Word tell us, Matt 24:29,30
    29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

    How clear cut is that? But again they refer to the Elect as Jews when it was our Lord and Savior that told us the the LIAR is the Antichrist, the unbeliever! Who is the unbelieving? The Jews that are still waiting on a savior! 1 John 2:22 Who is a liar but he that denieth that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denieth the Father and the Son. 23, Whosoever denieth the Son, the same hath not the Father: (but) he that acknowledgeth the Son hath the Father also. KJV

    Who is the Liar? Who is the antichrist? From the mouth of our Living God, Jesus by His Spirit tells Apostle John. 2 Tim 3:16, All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: KJV

    I rest my case! You can argue this point right up to the very moment but unless you are truly allowing yourself to be led by Gods Holy Spirit maybe you will never get this. Who cares? Jesus does because the proof is in Gods Word if you really DO want God to lead you in ALL truth. Here’s the proof, Mark 13:37 And what I say unto you I say unto all, Watch. KJV

    Key word, ALL! Jesus knew that there would be people that would be leading others astray. After all, He’s GOD! God Bless!

  18. Dean

    How exactly it works out is unclear in some ways, however there will be a tribulation period and many ‘Christians’ will deny Christ. This type of thing happened to some degree during various Roman persecutions. However the tribulation will be like nothing before. I believe that (although I am not certain) we may be raptured midway through the tribulation. What I am certain of is that the only thing pretty at that time (whole period or up to mid trib) will be the perseverance of the saints. If it happens in my lifetime I only hope I will stand as I should. Personally, on my mind at the moment is joining or helping to arrange an underground movement, because things seem to be moving fast these days.

  19. Shy

    Thank you so much for this Sir. I have felt so lonely (to the point I was feeling insane). I have NO ONE around me who doesn’t believe in the rapture. I feel like i live among a cult. That includes all of my family. I have mentioned I felt different on the RATURE to them and WOW, it was if I am satan.

    The SPIRIT of FATHER GOD speaks to me. I have things deep in my soul I can’t even find words for yet. I feel loved like never before but also very lonely and not sure what to do.

    I understand I do not know everything (or much of anything), However I have experienced many things that I could have never dreamed happening. They all turned out to be FATHER GOD showing me proof of what HE put in me, I still have a long way to go and a lot to learn.

    I AM IN NO WAY ACCUSING, but I ma very sad over some things. PLEASE KNOW that I KNOW I could be wrong on this.

    If the churches are teaching a false rapture and many other false teachings…. then doesn’t that make those churches (combined) equate to the Anti-Christ? Gosh I can’t believe I just wrote this.

    • Dear Sir, I am searching for people who HEAR FATHER GOD, who do not worship their denomination, the church, their pastor, or their status. I want to learn and have someone I can connect with. There is NO ONE where I am and NO ONE who wants to hear what is in me, or help me figure it out. Instead they have actually said that “He follows the doctrine of demons.” WOW thats the love of the churches where I live. Thanks again and my EMAIL is right on this post, i hit the wrong key last time.

      Thanks again

      Shay

      • Shay, I appreciate your honesty. I do believe that God is working with you on these things. He is using the false doctrine of the rapture to perhaps help you focus on this fact: that the “whole world lies in wickedness” and is deceived by Satan. Period. In fact, God Himself has allowed this and has blinded the eyes of most on the earth at this time so that “they seeing see not; and hearing they hear not, neither do they understand” (verse 13). Once you understand this, which is contained in the grand Parable of the Sower related to us in Matthew 13, then things become clearer. The first step that God uses to call us out of the deception is that He will give us a revelation that seemingly no one else has. Like you related, all are against you in this revelation about no rapture. But then you must make a stand for what you know is right and righteous. You will then stand for Him, who is truth. This loneliness you feel is par for the course, for “few there be to find this way of truth,” Christ said. When you begin to realize how blessed you are, hopefully through patience and humility, you will thirst for the “sincere milk of the word that you may grow thereby.” And then, as this true knowledge permeates your thinking, you will see this, that “blessed are your eyes, for they see: and your ears, for they hear” (Mt. 13: 16). Read and study my books and over 300 articles on these things. Prove these things out for yourself. Don’t take just my word for it. That is the only way that Christ’s true doctrine will become really yours. And know that God (Yahweh) “has 7,000 that have not bowed the knee to the image of Baal.” And know that you are not alone. We have the patriarchs, the prophets, the apostles, and the King Himself at the ready. We are “more than conquerors” through Christ who is our strength and life. Feel free to write me anytime. And this I say again: Study. Kenneth Wayne Hancock

  20. Revelator

    For those of us longing for fellowship in a place prepared, which I pray is of God; there is this place. http://www.wingsoftheeagle.com
    It is in its infancy, but I do pray that it gets legs some time soon.

    Your fellow servant in the Time of Trouble to come

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